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>> ultimately at the end of the day, too, everything happens for a reason. i've thought about it and i thought about how i was kind of a favorite pole going in. you know what? maybe i wasn't ready. maybe it would have been hard on me. maybe my life would have changeded and been different. i just feel like i'm comfortable and cool. i've been around for a long time now and maybe now was the time. >> it's your time, it's your time. this will be patrick's first full season in nascar sprint series. i'll talk to her life in the "cnn newsroom" in just a few minutes. more serious news. oscar pistorius has dropped out of several races, including one set for april here in the united states. although he is under contract to run, his management company says he dropped out to deal with the charges he now faces. he's accused of shooting his
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girlfriend, reeva steenkamp, on valentine's day. massive spending cuts are coming and you should get ready for them. that's what republican senator said today. i'm talking about those budget cuts that were narrowly avoided two months ago. the cuts will kick in automatically march 1st nothing changes. democrats don't want them. they favor alternative cuts. we've got another deadline count down and plenty more fighting has begun on capitol hill. there is a huge rally on the national mall in washington today as thousands pleaded for more action on climate control. among the demands, the protesters want president obama to e reject the keystone xl pipeline and to get the environmental protection agency to set carbon standards for power plants. more from that ahead on cnn. a bigger than normal crowd
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packed the vatican today. it is the second to the last time the pope will address crowds from that famous window. about 100,000 people turned out to hear benedict ask for prayers for the next pope. 85-year-old pope shocked the world last week when he announced he is resigning. we first told you object this last night. an idaho man accused of slapping a crying toddler across the fis while uttering racial slurs. toe, we're hearing from the little boy's parents for the first time. more now from dave bergen from care in minneapolis. >> twinkle twinkle. >> jonah is a smart and smiley 19 month old. but it's what happened on a delta flight that has his parents doing anything but smiling. >> he hit a child and that he said what he said -- it's
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disgusting. >> jessica bennett and her son were flying to atlanta and sat next to this man. >> he was being rude and belligerent and i felt very uncomfortable. >> she said he reeked of alcohol and continued to drink. jonah got fussy an the flight got worse. >> having trouble comforting him and that's when the guy had made his comment to me. >> as court documents sate, this is when huntly allegedly told jessica to quote, shut that n word baby up. but it didn't end there. he used the racial slur a second time and then allegedly slapped jonah, hitting him in the eye. >> i could not believe that he would say something like that to a baby or about a baby and then to hit him was just, i felt like i was in another world. i was shaking. >> jessica says other passengers came to her aid and the two were given a new seat. while jonah is back to being a
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curious toddler, his parents call his actions hateful. >> while the evidence is sufficient enough to support what we're saying, we hope he's punished. >> it's an experience the bennetts never want to go through again, but one this family will think about the next time they fly. >> i think i'll just be replaying it the whole time. >> dave bergen from kare in minneapolis. he has been suspended from his job, but his attorney says he plans to plead not guilty to the federal assault charnl. we got this statement. it says let's let the case develop and not rush to judgment. we can't make comments on the case at this time. in los angeles, the man hunt for christopher dorner may be over, but the controversy over how it ended is really just beginning. a rally yesterday outside l.a.p.d. headquarters criticized
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police handling of the man hunt and its fiery conclusion nine days later. nick, this rally, how much of it is anti lapd? >> let's be clear. i've talked to supporters. they say don't mistake our support. they were disgusted the way this man hunt was handled, the way lapd opened fire against two hispanic women delivering papers to a residence that was in the area receiving this e detailed security protection, so people are very upset and they're using this opportunity to leverage their beliefs that there still is rampant corruption. of course, the l ara prk d says dorner's anchors are unfounded. they brought in a third party to look at this appeal that he was going through and to investigate his claims. >> is the lapd trying to clear the air here? >> sure. they're talking about giving a million dollar reward. but still haven't gone that far
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as to say who's going to get it. there's still a lot of criticism as to how this was handle led. >> it's interesting. just by reporting on the people who are supporting, sometimes, people think that the newscasters are supporting. we're swrus reporting. it's unbelievable, online, facebook pages and we see protesters outside the lapd. did you see any of that? >> i was getting a taxi on the way home and one person i spoke to said i don't support the actions of chris dorner, but wa i support is he wants us to look into these corruption allegations and charges. >> thank you. good reporting. moving on now, so if you're playing golf with the most powerful man on the planet, do you let him win? tiger woods hits the links with president obama and we got a nascar first where a woman driver wins a pole position for next sunday's daytona 500. so, what's it like to make history? we're going to ask her.
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intercepted three small planes that have crossed into the restricted air space. they have been forced to leave the area. the huge rally at the national mall in washington today as thousands pleaded for more action on climate change. chris lawrence is in the middle of it. all of the demands people are making. >> it's been one of the coldest days of the year here in washington, but that didn't stop tens of thousands of people from jamming the national mall and then marching from here right past the white house. even though president obama is away in florida, the message that they wanted to send to him is clear. they want two things. they want to environmental protection agency to establish stri stricter emission standards on existing power plants. not just future plants moving down the line. they also want president obama to kill the extension of the keystone pipeline. that's the oil pipeline that's coming from canada and would cut
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through the united states to bring oil all the way to the gulf coast. a lot of folks here are younger voters. younger people who say even though the u.s. right now may be as focused on the debt ceiling and other issues, it's time to look further down the line. >> i'm only 16 and some day, i hope to have my own kids and i think this is, i want them to live in a world that's you know, like environmentally safe and natural. >> a dirty and dangerous pipeline that's going to cut our country in half carrying a very da dangerous fuel and it will cause run away climate change. >> on the flip side, a lot of folks say tighter emission standards have already cost some jobs at plants in places like west virginia. tightening them further is only going to squeeze that part of the economy even more and some of the higher prices will be past on to you and me as consumers. they also argue that the keystone pipeline will be safe
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with today's technology and will bring jobs to places like nebraska and also help the u.s. become more energy independent. d don? >> chris, thank you very much. she made history just a couple of hours ago. danica patrick became the first woman driver to win the pole position for the daytona 500. in fact, for any nascar race. i'll talk with her live, next. a restaurant is hard, ng try running four. fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. [ barking ] ♪ come on, boy! [ barks ] here we go. ♪
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the images of that meteor crashing into russia last friday are chilling. grown adults scrambling for cover and more than 1,000 people were hurt. hundreds of school children were also hurt though the event only lasts about 32 seconds, it's having a lasting effect. phil black reports from a russian village on how the close encounter with the meteor has impacted the kids. >> this small siberian village is usually a quiet place. 1,000 people living just south of the city of chelyabinsk, but on friday morning, they were shocked by what they saw. an intense light followed by a trail of smoke across the sky. kindergarten worker says the 20 children ran to the windows when
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they saw the light, but she felt something was wrong and moved them away. she said she was still facing the windows when the meteor's shock wave hit. as the windows blew in, flying glass cut her face and hands. she said she didn't notice because she was worried about the children. most were safe, but terrified. but one was bleeding heavily. 3-year-old sasha suffered deep cuts to her head and face. her mother ran to the kindergarten after she heard the blast. i was shaking, she says. i grabbed her and started to calm her down. a lot of kids were crying, too. cassina was also in the room that morning. she wasn't hurt physically by the blast, but her mother says she's traumatized. she's been too afraid to stand next to windows and she keeps asking if the glass is going to break again. katerina says she understands what the children are feeling.
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she says the blast was so terrifying, it rekindled her memories of the second world war. most of the visible damage the people can be easily repaireded, but the meteor's impact on some will take longer to heal. phil black, cnn, chelyabinsk, russia. >> so, that was a meteor? did you see the green streak today? the one in daytona beach? it was none other than danica patrick. she's very popular today. there she is wrapping up an interview with someone else. danica patrick, the first woman ever to win pole position in the daytona 500. coming up.
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danica patrick made history today becoming the first woman ever to make pole position. she's going to join me live on the other side of this break. [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. your soups are so awesomely delicious my husband and i can't stop eating 'em! what's...that... on your head? can curlers! tomato basil, potato with bacon... we've got a lot of empty cans. [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup.
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then you're going to love this. right now they're only $14.95! wow-a grt deal just got a whole lot better. hurry. $14.95 won't last. all right. that green streak you're looking at, there it is. can we see the green streak? there it is. it's going 196 miles per hour behind the wheel is a nascar driver speeding into the history books. it's danica patrick, the fastest woman on four wheels is now the first woman ever to win pole
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position for the most important race in nascar. that is the daytona 500. she did it today at the daytona international speedway and if you need any convincing, this makes it official. nascar is definitely not the boys club anymore and look who's here. live from daytona. your daytona 500 pole position winner. congratulations. how do you feel? >> i feel good. they've kept me pretty darn busy though off qualifying, the sun is going down and the interviews keep coming up but there's no better reason to be doing them. >> my mostly male members of my team here are like, oh, my gosh, danica patrick, go to her after break. i've never seen them so excited about any interview. i know you feel good, but you have made history. do you understand that?
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>> in a simple word, yes, i understand that, i think that understanding the scope of what that means and what that will end up meaning is or if any is something that happens down the road. in the moment, it's about thinking about what i need to do for next sunday and trying to make some more history. >> tell us about the reaction from your fellow drivers, including your team owner, tony stewart. >> tony came over when we had gotten pole, so qualifying was over with and he came over to say good job and you know, for me, i just wanted to tell him thank you for giving me the chance and for giving me the crew and the car and the job. at his team to be able to go out there and do something like that. so, it means a lot and it goes a long way when someone like tony
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stewart believes in you. >> i met tony stewart a couple of years ago and he couldn't have been more gracious. a very gracious man. winning the pole is one thing. now, you have to go out and race in 125 mile qualifying race and then a 500 mile main event on sunday. how are you going to prepare for this this week? >> well, i'm going to hope that i can have a little bit of time off between now and when we hit the track on wednesday. but i'm racing in the nationwide race, which is i think going to be a really good help for the race on sunday. so, i'll be racing on saturday, on sunday. but i mean, just getting out there in traffic and feeling what it's like around other cars and we're going to have to be smart about what we do out there on the track. i believe if we crash in practice or the duel, which is a race we do on thursday, we don't
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get to start in the front row, so we're going to have to be a little bit smart, but doesn't mean we can't get that chance to feel what it's like around other cars. >> don't be modest. you won this time. you won the pole position. what are you doing this time that's different or better than you were doing before or better than the other drivers? >> i don't know how to answer that. i mean, i -- all i can do is the driver when i qualify is to be smooth. to not let the car bind up too much. let it take its head. let it go where it wants to go a little bit, yet keeping minimum distance as little as possible. but other than that, it's very much about the crew. so i know you told me not be modest, but it is very much about the crew and the engine of the car. those elements have to be in place for you to go out there and be able to have a chance at the pole. >> you were also modest when you
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answered the history question, but you said you do understand you've made history. it is ground breaking. there are young women and little girls at home watching you who all of a sudden will say, i can do that. i can become a race car driver. i can be a danica patrick. my producer is saying little boys, but little boys have had role models in racing from the beginning. do you get that? >> you know, i love that to go beyond racing in general, i mean, just to kind of break gender barriers, i feel that one of the coolest things is to be able to think that parents and their kids are having that conversation at home about it. i've heard stories about a kid, boy or girl, saying, but mommy, daddy, that's a girl that's out there racing and then they can have that conversation to say you can do anything you want to do and gender doesn't matter. your passion is what matters.
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that's cool. >> all right. danica patrick, thank you. sorry about the delay. we would think you were on the other side of the earth, but you're just in daytona. congratulations, we're very happy for you. >> i know. >> she was talking about the delay. a leaked white house immigration plan has some in congress seeing red. one senator has said this thing quote is dead on arrival. what's got them all riled up? we'll tell you, next. for over 75 years people have saved money with gecko so.... director's voice: cut it! ...what...what did i say? gecko? i said gecko? aw... for over 75 year...(laughs. but still trying to keep it contained) director's voice: keep it together. i'm good. i'm good. for over 75...(uncontrollable laughter). what are you doing there? stop making me laugh. vo: geico. saving people money for over seventy-five years. gecko: don't look at me. don't look at me. omnipotent of opportunity. you know how to mix business... with business.
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let's talk politics with elsie and anna navarro. you guys doing okay? >> absolutely. >> yeah? okay. >> a little cold. >> where are you? are you in florida? >> in miami. but it's all of 55 degrees right now and we are freezing.
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>> oh, cry me a river. >> it's 55. break out your long johns and fur coats. please. >> haters. >> john mccain has been in everything lately, from the benghazi debate to the nomination of chuck hagel. perhaps now a former friend to be a defense secretary. he hit both topics hard this morning on "meet the press." here he is referring to the cover up over benbenghazi. >> of what? >> of the information of concerning the deaths of four brave americans. the information has not been forthcoming. you can obviously believe that it has. i know that it hasn't and i'll be glad to send you a list of the questions that have not been answered. >> is he correct? is there a white house cover up when it comes to the white house attack? >> he sure seems to think so. i don't know why he is so you know, hell bent on trying to
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find more answers after we've gotten everyone who was directly involved on the record. i really am just wondering if he's just doing this to try to shore up his crede as far as being the military's voice and making sure the servicemen and women know he will fight for them every step of the way. >> it does seem like john mccain has been on the mission lately. he's going after the president on benghazi and others in t white house and then he's taking on chuck hagel in the confirmation hearing. what is he after? >> i think he's doing his job. he understands that his job as a senator is not to rubber stamp nominations. it's to advise and consent and scrutinize these nominees. if not now, when? i think what he's doing on benghazi, what he has done along with other senators like kelly ayotte, is very important. let's just think about this.
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were it not for the john mccain, lindsey graham and kelly ayottes going after this, we would think benghazi is due to a video and that's not true. there has been a scathing report about the negligence and the breaches of security of the state department. there have been recommendations made. there may be american lives saved in the future because of this saga with john mccain right now, so i'm very proud of him for having done it. would not have happened but it not for him and the others. >> are we any closer to finding out what happened and correcting it or still on the hunt to figure out who in the white house may have done what? rather than finding a solution to this issue. >> i think we're closer to finding out what happened. we are closer to finding out what happened today.
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we know more of what happened because there have been hearings. because there has been a review and a report. because there have been recommendations made. because it has been retraced. because it has been in the media. if not, we would not have found out the truth that we do now. there are still pieces missing. i still don't know. i don't know if you do, who is responsible for the inaccurate talking points. i still don't know who made the choice to send ambassador susan rice out to the talk shows. i heard hillary clinton in the testimony she gave in front of the senate say it wasn't her. >> go ahead. >> i was just going to say, i'm all for trying to get to the bottom of thipgs, but i'm also about prioritizing things as well. we're still trying to figure out all the details behind 9/11. i don't think we're going to find out about benghazi in the next couple of weeks, so what i
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would like to see is a more systemically way of handling this. there are ways in which to get your questions answers without appearing on "meet the press" as if you're going to find out every detail within the next 24 hours. if we haven't figured out the first september 11th, i think it's going to be a while before we figure out the second. >> i want to talk about this immigration proposal that's supposedly going to come out next week. marco rubio is saying it's dead on arrival. why is the white house playing a bad idea? >> i don't know. i think maybe because they want to show they have their own bill. that they are doing something. they want some credit. you know, look, my friend who is a domestic policy adviser of the white house has told me this was not a deliberate white house leak. i believe cecila. that being said, something let the door open and the cat got out and it is not helpful. i think the reason you've seen a strong reaction from republicans
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and democrats who formed part of that bipartisan agreement is because they understand the toxicity level of the white house right now. look, you know, we'd all like things to be a certain way, but they are what they are and that's the reality. the political reality, we are working with it and the only way we will have immigration done is if that bipartisan agreement comes from congress to congress. >> i'll give you the final word, but i'm out of time here and we want to give ana a little time to lean over and grab her hot chocolate. >> sure. i don't really see how what the white house leaked was very much different than what rubio and senator mccain were trying to pitch just a few weeks ago. outside of having a clear around in terms of making sure we don't get more immigrants crossing over into the border, i really see the plans as very much alike, so this talk rubio saying it's dead on arrival, he's still
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period, it is going to scan earth's orbit multiple times and map all the asteroids because those are the asteroids that could hit. >> so it's going to track a half a million asteroids? each month, it's going to discover about 10,000. which is more than all other telescopes throughout history have combined to discover. it will do that every month. >> general manager of washington nfl's franchise says his team will not change its nickname even though a recent symposium at the smithsonian has revived a debate over the term, redskins. "the washington post" and radio station 106.7 quote allen by saying this. we're 81 years old. there's nothing we feel is offensive and we're proud of our history. remember those words. let's bring in two of our favorite writers on sports and culture.
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lz is back for another round and terrence moore right here in atlanta. you just posted a column, you agree that maybe the redskins should be ashamed of their past. this is what you write. you said it may not be illegal to use a dehumanizing slur like redskins, which is why attempts to force a name change may have always fallen short, but it is a moral rall to continue to brand a team with this racially incensensitive relic. why do you say it's wrong to use this nickname? >> you know, i really targeted that column because of the back peddling done by the mayor. he's the one that initially talked about it in january that we would like to meet with the team and talk about possibly changing the name and then come february, he starts back peddling. that's what really sparked me to write this piece.
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he was initially write in january. having that conversation is the right thing to do and to bow down because constituents or fans of the team are upset or bothered by this is not what we want our elected officialed to do. we want them to stand up and do the right thing, so i took time to write about the history of that franchise about how a racist owner brought them to washington because i wanted to point out what that history was. and how wrong it was for the mayor to back down because fans who are used to the name didn't want to give it up. >> let's turn to terrence. should the washington redskins change their nickname? you said it gets a little complicated when looking back at other teams besides washington. >> yeah, they should change it. they should have changed it about 80 years ago. at the time, they fired supposedly their native american coach. and they claimed they were in boston at the time. they claimed they switched from braves to redskins in honor of them. >> it's been 81 years. tas tradition.
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>> here's where it gets complicated. i graduated in oxford, ohio in the late 1970s. it's located in southern ohio named after a miami indian tribe there at the time. the nickname of sports teams back then were the redskins when i was in school, but the university had enough sense in the late 1990s to switch from redskins to redhawks. miami, ohio has more of a legitimate case, certainly the washington redskins should do the right thing and switch from redskins. >> lz, is redskins okay with you in a certain context or is the word just offensive? >> i equate it to like the n word. i'm sure there are -- who are native american who do not have a problem with it. you have people who do have a problem with it. i think the same way when it cops to african-americans. there are people who use the n word and don't have a problem with it and people who do.
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you look at the history of the words and decide we do not think the n word is acceptable, but the attempted genocide of native americans have made it difficult for their collective voice to be heard and we don't have enough politicians willing to put their feet in the fire and get up in this fight and say this is wrong. we need to change it. whether a million native americans or not. and so, you know, i am not comfortable using that word. i try to avoid using it as much possible and i think that is the right thing to do. especially, don, this was important. when you look back at the westerns, how that word was used in old tv westerns that western are racially insensitive. no one used that word in pop culture as a term of endearment. >> you think people get the meaning of that word? this is our team, it's just a sports team and the team, the comradery and all that can remain the same even if your
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name changes. >> yeah and this is why, the big reason, it's not going to change. i'm going to tell you the big reason why. ever since the redskins became relevant again in the 1970s, just about every politician in washington is a red skin fan. therefore, if you are part of the ownership or management of the redskins franchise, you feel this political cover to take this hard line stance is never going to change. >> really? >> and it's not going to happen anytime soon with rg3. >> ld, do you think it will change? >> it all depends. back in '61, the former owner was a racist and he refused to play or even sign black players. and he was pressured by the commissioner as well as the federal government to change that because he had to abide by federal law when he moved them on to land controlled by the feds. now, there's conversations on whether or not they're going to
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move back to land controlled by the federal government. if that is the case, then the way kennedy used his administration to push marshall in terms of desegregating his team, certainly there could be conversation that the obama administration could have. so i'm not quite sure yet in terms of whether or not this name is going to be changed. there's still a lot more conversations that need to happen. >> thank you very much. i want you to stick around because terrence is going to come back. meantime, next, one country wants to get rid of online pornography and something borrowed, something blue, saying i do with 12,000 of your closest friends. [ woman ] my boyfriend and i were going on vacation,
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saying i do in a big way in south korea. thousands took the plunge during a mass wedding held today. a stadium was transformed into a massive chapel for about 3,500
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couples. another 1,200 participated online. many of the couples met for the first time just days before the ceremony. this was before the ceremony. this was the first event held by the unification church since the death of its founder. >> don. >> why do people get married? >> because they can and they do. >> let's talk about your here. iceland may try to ban th-- thi after marriage. they may try to ban internet pornography. they ban strip clubs calling them demeaning to women. porn flourished in the u.s. largely because it's protected under free speech laws. why do they want to block pornography online? >> so they have more people getting married.
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seriously. >> sorry. go ahead. >> we're talking about a country here that's roughly the size of st. louis, missouri. it's a very small country and it's a great model country. but they're known to be very progressive and liberal but when it comes to pornography, they're putting their foot down and creating a lot of waves in this process. the reason for this is the fact that the interior minister said this is not -- his adviser has come out and spoke on his behalf and he said this is not an anti-sex bill or ban per se. this is actually an anti-violence ban. and in doing this they hope, follow me here, they're hoping that in this process it actually prevents -- you know, they're saying pornography is a threat to children and women and relationships. so this is why they're doing it. of course, there's always the people on the other side and they're going to say this is an infringement on our freedom of rights. s in not going to pass. but as it stands right now it's a draft legislation that's being
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talked about and in iceland they put together this entire task force which is responsible for talking to educators and health officials to really look at the correlation between watching porn and what this means in terms of how much violence is a result of that. >> okay. >> does that answer your question? >> yes, it does. you have researched some pretty unusual laws in other countries. where does this one fall and wh what is the strangest laws you have heard. >> one country has a smoking ban. in new york we have the soda ban which we'll see if that goes through, but i want to point out some of the ones we have, you know, heard about but not extensively. in singapore there's a ban on the sale and import of chewing gum and that started in 1992, and in addition to that that ban has kind of been lifted since 2004. but in saudi arabia women, they can't drive, but that's not necessarily an illegal thing. it's more of a fatwa that was
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passed in the '90s. and in iran, for example, you can't find barbie in a store. they can't sell barbie. why? it's looked at as a western thing and much like you can't find dvds of western movies or some western clothes -- on the black market you can but out there. and in -- >> thank you. appreciate it. who is the greatest basketball player of all time? a lot of people say michael jordan who is turning 50 today. what about kobe, what about lebron? we'll talk about it next. why not make lunch more than just lunch? with two times the points on dining in restaurants, you may find yourself asking why not, a lot. chase sapphire preferred. there's more to enjoy.
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i'd do anything to win. limits, like fears, are often -- >> the one and only michael jordan turns 50 years old today. just in time for the nba all-star game and a new round of popular sports debate. of a popular sports debate. who is the greatest basketball player ever? lots of people say jordan. end of discussion. jordan is it. but do any of today's star measure up, kobe bryant, lebron james? i don't know. what does michael say? here is what he told nba tv. he said if i had to pick between the two, kobe and lebron, that would be a tough choice. but five titles beats one every
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time and i look at it and not that he, lebron, won't get five, he may get more than that, but five is bigger than one. terrence moore is back, sports contributor at a m.j. dissing lebron james or does he have a point here? >> or m.j. is just telling the truth. you know, kobe right now -- >> can you say that again? the truth is the truth. it doesn't mean you're always hating because you're telling the truth. five beats one. >> and somewhere i read that the truth shall set you free, okay? >> amen, brother. >> here is the thing, don. this is a case of selective hearing, okay? and lebron is listening like a jilted lover. listen to what michael said. he essentially said both of these guys are great. tiebreaker is world championships. what lebron heard was michael just said i'm the worst superstar on the face of the earth. he never said this. >> no. and he said he may, didn't i read in there, he said he may at one point -- >> exactly. >> but not yet. >> four world championships to tie kobe and kobe could have
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seven or eight by then. >> okay. here is lebron's side of the argument. he's talking with our rachel nichols. >> we talk about the all-time great of bill russell, 11 rings, which is five more than mike won, but if we had a draft today, would you take russell over jordan? i don't think so. so it all depends how you categorize talent and the greats. >> does he have a point that a former jordan teammate who rode the bench has a lot of rings but no one thinks he's a great player? >> i mean, that's lebron being ridiculous. he just stated the obvious. >> i didn't understand that. >> it was stupid. here is the thing. the big picture is at the beginning of that with that like mike thing. here it is, michael jordan at 50 years of age, okay, and that i want to be like mike gatorade commercial was back in the early 1990s and people still want to be like mike, including lebron
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james and everybody on the play grounds. what's happening right now, you have a guy like lebron who was born in december of 1984. by that time michael had already won a national championship at north carolina. he had won a gold medal in the olympics for team usa. but here it is years later and lebron is still about to cry because he wants -- >> how old is lebron? >> he's 28. he wants the approval of those guys. >> when you're in your 20s you think you know everything. when i was in my 20s i thought i knew everything but then i found out i didn't know anything. i thought i knew everything and you know nothing, nothing. that's what lebron -- >> it's all about rings though. it always comes down to that in professional sports. >> talk to me when he turns 35 or 40. >> talk to me when you win more world championships. >> he's a kid. >> which is the bottom line. >> yeah. >> roll it. the next hour of the cnn "newsroom" begins right now. i'm don n.


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